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Weekly Thoughts - Good Yuri, Bad Yuri
Sunday, May 21, 2006

What makes a good and bad yuri content in anime or manga? I've been thinking about that quite a bit this week. There is a lot of yuri out there and quite a lot of it isn't the most deepest of things around, I watch (and read) a lot of yuri it's true and while there plenty of it I enjoy there's only a few titles I find that are really "Wow, Great!!!". So after careful thought on the matter I've placed yuri content into anime (and manga) under into three groups!

Take for example the two yuri titles I'm reviewing weekly at the moment, Strawberry Panic and Simoun. Now, while Strawberry Panic is certainly entertaining I wouldn't call it the most high brow of titles. In fact I'd go as far as calling it trash, entertaining trash (like a tabloid newspaper with such ridiculous headlines you can't help but laugh perhaps) but still trash. So far its managed to provide some hilarious comedy, likeable characters and be overtly gay. Now look at Simoun, (only three episodes so far which may well be one of the reasons it isn't that popular) it is a beautiful show. It's deep, complex, has a really good portrayal of emotions and is poised to deliver better and better drama as it progresses. Tongues down throats scenes in episode one aside I'd venture to say Strawberry Panic is far more overtly yuri toned than Simoun just now.

So yes, Strawberry Panic is entertaining but Simoun is without a doubt the superior show. "But, but Strawberry Panic has like more yuri! It's gayer, it has like implied sexual scenes!" I hear a section of yuri fandom cry out (who I see plenty of on various messageboards), but just because the cast are groping each other more does not equate a good show I'm afraid. Simoun may not be the best example as many see the kissing as proper yuri.., but considering the majority of the cast aren't really into the said kisses I don't feel it is. The best example of "great yuri content without being racy" is definitely Maria-Sama Ga Miteru, the show portrays amazingly, amazingly beautiful relationships between the cast members without even really a glimmer of more sexual scenes.

So, I've described what I feel is good yuri content, this is found in titles that put the relationships and the building of the relationships before racy or sexual content. Maria-Sama and Simoun are examples that fall into this category. Then you have titles that are trash but fun, the aforementioned StoPani falls into this category and the yuri parts of something like Burst Angel do too. These are basically shows that fit a "guilty pleasure" bracket and I tend to feel I shouldn't like, but can't help finding entertaining. After careful consideration I've decided to call this "cheese yuri content", as it's well.. cheesy! (I'm so original). Finally of course there is bad yuri content, either where the characters are so amazingly crap you don't care about them (see key-rapeathon Kagihime), or when a decent enough title (usually seinen) falls into mindless sexual violence trap to rope in more fanboys.

So there's my thoughts on what makes good yuri! Which is pretty much all I'm writing for my "weekly thoughts" this erm.. week. On the anime front I' haven't watched much lately but I've made a start on Nanoha A's. Next weekend I'm off to London Expo, (which I guess you can call an anime-con of sorts, although there's other things there) so I may not have the time to blog!

posted by Mangaminx On Sunday, May 21, 2006  
24 Comments:
  • On Sunday, 21 May, 2006, Anonymous lolikitsune said…

    Uh... neither Strawberry Panic nor Simoun is yuri, to my knowledge. Out of the combined ten episodes I've seen of the two shows, neither has any pornography in it.

    >>(only three episodes so far which may well be one of the reasons it isn't that popular)

    No, there've been WAY more than three episodes. Only three episodes have been fansubbed. People dislike the show for a variety of reasons. It's not great. I don't see why you think it's deep. Bunch of girls making out with eachother, a lame plot to cover it up, and a pile of technobabble? Mmmhm.

    >>Now, while Strawberry Panic is certainly entertaining I wouldn't call it the most high brow of titles. In fact I'd go as far as calling it trash

    Strawberry Panic... I think... takes itself seriously. Which is too bad, because if seen as a parody of Maria-sama ga Miteru (which definitely took itself seriously) it's just good. The homages, the ruthless desecration, it's all there. With shower scenes.

    >>So yes, Strawberry Panic is entertaining but Simoun is without a doubt the superior show.

    o.o

    "without a doubt" you say, yet you've only seen three episodes.

    >>The best example of "great yuri content without being racy" is definitely Maria-Sama Ga Miteru

    No. Marimite isn't yuri at all. Disregarding some RATHER SHAKY subtext, there is a total of one lesbian relationship in the show, and with the lack of lesbian hentai you could only call it shoujo-ai at MOST (not even that... girls' love is more fitting, I believe.)

    >>So there's my thoughts on what makes good yuri!

    Your use of the term aside, you didn't say anything about what makes good yuri.

     
  • On Sunday, 21 May, 2006, Blogger Mangaminx said…

    >>Uh... neither Strawberry Panic nor Simoun is yuri, to my knowledge. Out of the combined ten episodes I've seen of the two shows, neither has any pornography in it.

    Heh, well for a start I use yuri to describe all anime with same sex female relationships of subtext or not. I'm not the only person to do this, in fact many people do. But everyone is entitled to use the word how they wish of course. I notice you file Strawberry Panic under yuri on your own blog too, so you can't really criticise me for calling it that.



    >>No, there've been WAY more than three episodes. Only three episodes have been fansubbed. People dislike the show for a variety of reasons. It's not great. I don't see why you think it's deep. Bunch of girls making out with eachother, a lame plot to cover it up, and a pile of technobabble? Mmmhm.

    If you took care to click the little "Simoun" link to the right of my page you'd see that I have seen and blogged all seven aired episodes of Simoun. My point was only three had been fansubbed. I personally feel it's deep (although your fully entitled to disagree of course), yes I felt the first episode went overboard on kissing, but since then it hasn't really been a focus of the show whatsoever The focus has in fact been the character development and their relationships.



    >>o.o "without a doubt" you say, yet you've only seen three episodes.

    Again, I've seen and blogged seven and throughly enjoyed it. Sorry.



    >>No. Marimite isn't yuri at all. Disregarding some RATHER SHAKY subtext, there is a total of one lesbian relationship in the show, and with the lack of lesbian hentai you could only call it shoujo-ai at MOST (not even that... girls' love is more fitting, I believe.)

    I'm fully away Marimite isn't lesbian hentai, and I'm far aware of the depths of the various relationships. However, again I'm using yuri as a word in a different way to you.



    >>Your use of the term aside, you didn't say anything about what makes good yuri.

    Erm I did, my point was yuri I find "good" focusses on the character relationships over sexual situations.

     
  • On Sunday, 21 May, 2006, Anonymous Zyl said…

    Mangaminx's use of the term "yuri" is similar to Erica Friedman who runs Yuricon and the Okazu blog.

    I used to say "yuri" to mean "explicit girl on girl hentai" and "shoujo-ai" for "female same sex romance" too but I've converted to the much broader definition after joining the Yuricon Mailing List two years ago. A lot of fans still use the former set of definitions but I think how gay gals use the term has much more cred.

    And about good/bad yuri, a pretty good example of trashy (but still entertainig) yuri is *dun dun dun* Kannazuki no Miko. Made absolutely no sense, the giant robots were awful but the intensity of Chikane x Himeko was quite lovely even if the rape scene and reincarnation thing also didn't make much sense. MariMite had a lot of class and understated charm but probably that's why it isn't as popular as KannaMiko. LOL

     
  • On Sunday, 21 May, 2006, Anonymous Hopeless said…

    I'm in the same boat as Mangaminx and Zyl; through Mangaminx and hence Yuricon, I've began to use the term yuri in a broader way.

    Out of all the shows I've seen that place a great emphasis on yuri pairings, MariMite is probably the only really good show. Shows like KnM (Souma ftw) and Simoun, to be, tend to stand up merely on the yuri content, and not on the rest of the show.

    Also, I can't help but notice an aggressive tone in your reply, lolikitsune.

     
  • On Sunday, 21 May, 2006, Blogger Mangaminx said…

    Yep it was through Okazu that I got used to using the word "yuri" in the way I do. I've been a avid reader of Erica's blog for a while now (and Yuricon too).

    I put Marimite and Simoun head and shoulders above titles like Kannazuki and Strawberry Panic... yet I can't say I don't see plus points in both of those titles too. I think quite a large proportion of yuri falls into the middle ground trashy but entertaining category which is a bit of a shame but at least means there is something to watch that isn't truly awful.

    I feel it's a shame that shows like Marimite are a little understated compared to things like Kannazuki, but it's just the way fandom goes.

     
  • On Monday, 22 May, 2006, Anonymous lolikitsune said…

    >>I notice you file Strawberry Panic under yuri on your own blog too, so you can't really criticise me for calling it that.

    Of course I can. The setup behind my blog is purely satire. I don't see SP as yuri, Ilya isn't the hottest thing since the wheel, I'm not a lolicon, etc., etc.

    >>If you took care to click the little "Simoun" link to the right of my page you'd see that I have seen and blogged all seven aired episodes of Simoun.

    Very well. I was merely responding to the contents of your post.

    >>However, again I'm using yuri as a word in a different way to you.

    Kind of misleading, methinks. The whole using the word incorrectly thing. I wonder why the people you got it from do it that way... I've been aware of the misuse of it amongst people this side of the pond. There was a thread on AS about otaku lingo... and a post on the misuse of "yaoi". I believe the same thing applies to yuri.

    http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=538663&postcount=51

    >>A lot of fans still use the former set of definitions but I think how gay gals use the term has much more cred.

    That amuses me for some reason. Why use a Japanese term (incorrectly) when you could use a term from your own language? It's not a matter of the usage on the part of the group most involved, it's a matter of confusion and miscommunication. When I saw the headline of this post in my RSS Aggregator, I thought- ooo, an intelligent post on yuri!

    And of course, as is quite clear, the post had nothing to do with what I was expecting. I wonder if this happens a lot. Maybe my using the term in the same manner as the Japanese might be considered some geeky form of assimilation. I'm not so sure though.

    It would be neat if usage guidelines were the same on both sides of the pond. Global communication is good. Needing to keep up with multiple uses of the same word is tiresome. Personally, when I see a word (and I'm not referring to your average English look-alike (read+read, etc.) I like to know "oh, this word. Right, that's what it means." Context helps, but there's a certain point where maybe- just maybe- we should all agree on what a word means.

    I'm not trying to disrespect Yuricon or those associated with it, don't get me wrong. I just think that no matter which group of people you say has more "cred", there will be misunderstandings so long as the term is misused (ESPECIALLY if this misuse is widespread...) Also, Mangaminx, if I offended you with my reply, apologies. Your post didn't make any sense to me, because I took the term for the face value I've come to associate with it.

    >>And about good/bad yuri, a pretty good example of trashy (but still entertainig) yuri is *dun dun dun* Kannazuki no Miko.

    Kannazuki no Miko is far less "entertaining" to me than, say, Maria-sama ga Miteru. First things first, Marimite was so overdone that, while it was drama, I couldn't help but laugh at Yumi's internal dialogues. LK's interpreation of Marimite Haru 11 FTW: http://www.lovelykitsune.com/archives/177

    I also have to say that, even from a dead-serious stand point, KnM is not trash to me. Yes, the robots were WTF, yes, some of the fanservice was WTF, and yes, it was overdone as well. But IMHO the producers did a much better job in bringing across emotions in KnM than in Marimite.

    The target audiences are different, too, I think. Don't quote me on it but I believe KnM was made primarily for guys. The two shows gave off entirely different feels. Marimite was very shoujo and KnM was very shounen. I can't see your average Marimite watcher being very enthralled with the mecha fights or Souma's "I need to get stronger!" mantra. I think it makes sense for the two shows to appeal to different groups to different extents. As mangaminx said, "
    I feel it's a shame that shows like Marimite are a little understated compared to things like Kannazuki, but it's just the way fandom goes.", well, is that just the way fandom goes? I feel that the target audience of Marimite is most likely less outspoken than that of KnM.

    >>Also, I can't help but notice an aggressive tone in your reply, lolikitsune.

    I couldn't help but notice an aggressive tone in Maria-sama ga Miteru when Sachiko pinned Yumi against the ginko tree and- oh wait, that never happened. Damn. Must have been my imagination.

    Anyway, that's odd- I never get worked up about anything, so it must just be something wrong with my attitude and the way I act in general. It's more than likely, what with the time I spend self-confined in my room watching anime. :)

     
  • On Monday, 22 May, 2006, Blogger Serge said…

    >>Maybe my using the term in the same manner as the Japanese might be considered some geeky form of assimilation.

    But, the Japanese have already started to use the term "yuri" to reflect girl-girl relationships of all kinds, from the chaste to the explicit and everything in between. Hence why we have the Yuri Shimai and Yuri Hime (which serializes the Simoun manga) magazines.
    One of the most important things to come out of Yuricon Tokyo, April 2005, was the desire among the mangaka and the Ichijinsha rep present to reclaim the word "yuri" to mean more than just porn.
    And while, one year later, the usage is far from universal among Japanese and Western fans, the more inclusive definition is definitely gaining more acceptance.

     
  • On Monday, 22 May, 2006, Anonymous lolikitsune said…

    I was aware that the term yuri goes hand in hand with (is?) the symbolism of lily=lesbian, but was under the impression that "official" use of the term in relation to anime was still teh H.

     
  • On Monday, 22 May, 2006, Blogger Mangaminx said…

    >> Also, Mangaminx, if I offended you with my reply, apologies. Your post didn't make any sense to me, because I took the term for the face value I've come to associate with it.

    Don't worry, you didn't offend me! I was mildly surprised maybe as nobodys pointed out the "shoujo-ai" definition to me in the (nearly a) year I've been running this blog and using the term yuri in the way I do. However I am aware of the shoujo-ai = lesbian relationships, yuri = lesbian porn, definition many fans use so I knew where you were coming from.



    >>The target audiences are different, too, I think. Don't quote me on it but I believe KnM was made primarily for guys. The two shows gave off entirely different feels. Marimite was very shoujo and KnM was very shounen.

    Yep your right, Marimite is shoujo and KnM is shounen. I must say I didn't think the character development in KnM was extremely bad or anything, I just preferred that in Marimite. But then seeing as I'm female it could be argued Marimite is more geared to my taste. I will admit I'm not particularly a fan of mecha or "I need to get stronger" storylines.



    >>One of the most important things to come out of Yuricon Tokyo, April 2005, was the desire among the mangaka and the Ichijinsha rep present to reclaim the word "yuri" to mean more than just porn.

    Which is one of the reasons why I use it myself, if the creators wish to call it that then I feel the term should be embraced. I'm glad the term the more inclusive term is being used more.



    But anyway, I don't really have a problem of people still using shoujo-ai in the vein of same sex relationships many people still do. I shall just continue to use "yuri" as it's what I'm used to and what I have always used.

     
  • On Monday, 22 May, 2006, Anonymous Matrim said…

    I have to say I agree with Mangaminx's classification. Strawberry Panic is entertaining but every time it tries to get serious and dramatic it fails. And Simoun actually has a plot unlike SP, not to mention that the character development is vastly superior, IMHO. I started watching Simoun because of the yuri element, now this element it's not the main reason why I like it at all.

    "But IMHO the producers did a much better job in bringing across emotions in KnM than in Marimite."

    Well, I could hardly disagree more but not much point in arguing, I doubt one of us has any chance to convince the other. :)

     
  • On Monday, 22 May, 2006, Blogger Mangaminx said…

    Glad to see another Simoun fan Matrim! I feel it's a highly underated show that was dismissed by many early on because of the themes in episode one. I really enjoyed your episode three review (and you've probably heard this before, but your blog has such a great name ;) )!

     
  • On Monday, 22 May, 2006, Anonymous Tess said…

    I think you just like to argue, lolikitsune.

    In no relation to anyone directly, I just want to say I loosely switch between the terms yuri and shoujo ai. Some people are more strict in which yuri can only be described as lesbian porn, but I don't see any harm in using the terms interchangably. Just my view.

    Some yuri anime can be trashy while others are amazing, but I generally love them all. I also liked KnM due to the relationship between Chikane and Himeko, but Marimite is deffinately the superior. I guess KnM was eye candy, while Marimite was art. I'm also enjoying Simoun more as every episode comes by (I've also seen all seven so far), and Strawberry Panic proves to be interesting enough to watch. Need to take what you can get, right?

     
  • On Tuesday, 23 May, 2006, Anonymous lolikitsune said…

    >>I think you just like to argue, lolikitsune.

    There's something messed up about saying something like that. It's hardly fair, because I can't disagree without proving your point. >_<

    >>Well, I could hardly disagree more but not much point in arguing, I doubt one of us has any chance to convince the other. :)

    Extremes surpassed in KnM were hardly even approached in Marimite. It's like an entirely different spectrum of emotions present. Personally, I believe that a feeling capable of driving someone to (ultimate?) despair such as Chikane's love for Himeko is a much more powerful emotion than a simpler "I'm going to cry because I'm being ignored." Rather than the execution, I should have discussed the end result. It's a possiblity that Marimite did in fact do a better job- but to me, the emotions in KnM were much "stronger", and had more "power", and thus had greater effect on me. So maybe I should have said "But IMHO the producers did a much better job in bringing across emotional impact to the viewer."

    Or maybe we still disagree with eachother? ^_^

     
  • On Tuesday, 23 May, 2006, Anonymous Matrim said…

    Obviously the situation in KanaMiko is much more extreme than in Marimite - no one was trying to save the world in the latter, after all. :) But I don't think it's about the emotional intensity displayed and whose emotions are "stronger" - for me it's all about empathy with the characters and the feeling that they behave and react in a believable way. If I don't care about a certain character then I wouldn't care if he or she is plunged in the depths of despair, however deep these depths might be. And since the Marimite characters are, IMHO, a lot better developed and interesting than the KanaMiko ones I was more moved by their emotional struggles, even when they seemed to be caused by rather trivial problems which did not deserve such strong reactions.
    Mangaminx, thanks.

     
  • On Tuesday, 23 May, 2006, Blogger Mangaminx said…

    >>Extremes surpassed in KnM were hardly even approached in Marimite. It's like an entirely different spectrum of emotions present

    I can certainly agree that Kannazuki covers more extreme emotions and situations than MariMite, but that dosen't nessecerily make for a better emotional struggle. KnM dosen't have a huge amount of depth to it (it's not a bad anime for a long shot, I enjoyed it), when Marimite spends a long time building up and developing it's cast (as Matrim says) and I think that's where the difference lies (If you count both seasons MariMite evidently has more episodes to build up it's cast though to its advantage). I think one of the reasons I love Simoun is I'm getting the same Marimite feel of character development as it progresses.

     
  • On Tuesday, 23 May, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    For me, there isn't really any good or bad yuri just different portrayals. To stringently put them in good or bad factions is like saying all lesbians are saints. Soome can be the bastardly type who uses woman and/or
    shallow and superficial to boot. Does it make them any less real? No, it doesn't. The same goes for overt, assertive, openly flirtatious shoujo-ai characters. It's why I love all the shoujo-ai shows I've seen, from Yamibou,
    marimite, to knm, simoun, strawberry panic..etc (naming a few examples). I enjoy the different sides, angles, faecets, it makes things interesting. As much as I enjoy the well-portrayed shows dealing with discovery,
    related internal conflict, coming out, what about shoujo-ai characters who are comfortable with their sexuality? Also, why has physical expressions of love become such an abomination? It seems that good yuri = compulsory
    zero show of such affections till probably at the very last episode whereas bad yuri equals the vice versa. Can't lesbian characters freely express their attraction to each other? Must it only be in a certain fashion? Or is it only heterosexual characters
    are allowed to do so? (my conclusion admist all the nitpicking). I feel a balanced yuri show would be one that includes all elements. Characters who are discovering themselves, yuri characters who are happy with themselves,
    Characters who are unorthodox..etc and many more.. It's one of the reasons for my enjoyment of strawberry panic. It's sort of like, finally, a show where they are they are past the coming out process. I consider strawberry panic
    a little like a teen japanized version of The L word where it's a drama about a group of out lesbians, their personal and romantic love life and adventures. A nice premise that strawberry panic has set out on but it's con is that it's
    lacking in the development area but it's looking more promising. A note: I've never felt like and never really did compare the strawberry panic anime to the marimite one. To me, the core similarities are the all-girls catholic
    school setting, that's about as far as it goes. Both concentrate on different things and angles and are respective shows in their on own right thus I try to treat them as such. I guess I'd better stop my rambling post now. Thanks to
    all who read and share similar opnions too. :) I came here with the actual sole intention to look up on the simoun episode synopsis but got embrolied in what feel has rather been an interesting debate.

     
  • On Tuesday, 23 May, 2006, Anonymous Emma said…

    I forgot to add, my name's Emma by the way, in case it matters in an opnion(reference to my above annoymous post).

     
  • On Tuesday, 23 May, 2006, Anonymous Emmaill said…

    Pardon the double comments, there was an error while I was posting, feel free to delete my repeated ones.

     
  • On Tuesday, 23 May, 2006, Blogger Mangaminx said…

    Emma - Don't worry about the double comments, and you can post with your name or as anonymous it really dosen't matter.

    You bring across some very intresting points in your first comment.

    >>The same goes for overt, assertive, openly flirtatious shoujo-ai characters. It's why I love all the shoujo-ai shows I've seen, from Yamibou, marimite, to knm, simoun, strawberry panic..etc (naming a few examples). I enjoy the different sides, angles, faecets, it makes things interesting.

    I enjoyed all those shows too (although I will admit that bits of Yami Bou weren't exactly to my taste). It's certainly interesting to see the different styles of the shows and their differing takes on lesbian relationships.



    >>As much as I enjoy the well-portrayed shows dealing with discovery, related internal conflict, coming out, what about shoujo-ai characters who are comfortable with their sexuality? Also, why has physical expressions of love become such an abomination? It seems that good yuri = compulsory
    zero show of such affections till probably at the very last episode whereas bad yuri equals the vice versa. Can't lesbian characters freely express their attraction to each other? Must it only be in a certain fashion? Or is it only heterosexual characters.

    I think that one aspect of yuri I find interest in seeing a character come to terms with her sexuality, and how that is portrayed. Most recently I felt that Kasimasi ~Girl Meets Girl~ managed that well with its portrayal of Tomari's battle with her feelings. It was very moving and deep to see. I find it really easy to sympathise with a character in this situation and I'm always really happy once the character is content with who she is.

    Personally I don't like to see physical sexual expression in anime I just feel its unessecery (this goes for hetrosexual sex just as much as a same sex relationship too). I tend to feel it really isn't nessecery in the display of a good romance. Sex in anime dosen't automatically make me think "every part of this anime is awful" but it's something I feel is mainly thrown in just to hook in more viewers and thus cheapens the anime in my eyes.



    >> It's one of the reasons for my enjoyment of strawberry panic. It's sort of like, finally, a show where they are they are past the coming out process. I consider strawberry panic a little like a teen japanized version of The L word where it's a drama about a group of out lesbians, their personal and romantic love life and adventures. A nice premise that strawberry panic has set out on but it's con is that it's lacking in the development area but it's looking more promising.

    I have a hard time taking SP seriously as it's just got to many laughable situations and larger than life characters for me to think of it as a serious romance. As I've said before, it's fun, it's entertaining but I don't really consider it to be deeper than that.



    >>A note: I've never felt like and never really did compare the strawberry panic anime to the marimite one. To me, the core similarities are the all-girls catholic school setting, that's about as far as it goes.

    To me SP seems to be using some similar scenes as Marimite and making them... well more overtly gay than they were. The effect this has had on me is to find Strawberry Panic funny as while I'm not sure its purposefully trying to be it often seems like a parody of MariMite.



    >>Thanks to all who read and share similar opnions too. :) I came here with the actual sole intention to look up on the simoun episode synopsis but got embrolied in what feel has rather been an interesting debate.

    Thank you for commenting! It's always nice when someone raises interesting points and hopefully your post will spark more discussion. Hope my Simoun episode reviews were what you were looking for too!

     
  • On Wednesday, 24 May, 2006, Anonymous lolikitsune said…

    Hmm... as for the things Emma said about kinds of yuri. In terms of serious enjoyment of shows (outside my blogging of "nyahahaha... Strawberry Panic blows") hmm... I don't think that shows should be about covering everything and providing a balance. That's over-extension. I like a variety of shows dealing with different aspects of romance in a variety of ways.

    Maybe I see it that way because I don't watch yuri anime for the sake of watching yuri anime. I feel the same about heterosexual romance and homosexual male romance in anime, and the same for loli and shota as well. If a show's good, it's good, and I don't need it to cover all the bases. I guess I think that a show should deal more with its romance than the fact that it's any particular kind of romance.

    Then again, I hate heterosexism and think that "dealing with sexuality" /is/ a non-problem, despite the fact that it isn't. I guess I don't like reality so much. I'm not too interested in things like "lesbian deals with discomfort due to her sexuality" because I can't comprehend why such discomfort should exist in this world. I'm not interested in things like dealing with racism, either, for pretty much the same reasons- it just doesn't come up much in anime.

    I'm such an idealistic fool :P

     
  • On Wednesday, 24 May, 2006, Blogger Anga said…

    Well, trashy or not, but for me despite it's few flaws KnM is best shoujo ai series i have seen. Emotions and way it shows those is dramatic and powerful. Strawberry panic is entertaining to watch, but not so memorable. I probably forget whole show when it ends.

    Simoun has one thing that totally turned me off, it's kissing. I watched only first episode and even if it get better later i don't really care, i already lost all respect towards characters.

    I really should watch MariMite someday, i have planned it long enough already.

     
  • On Wednesday, 24 May, 2006, Anonymous Matrim said…

    @Anga - you mean KnM has no kissing? :)
    I suspect the excessive kissing in the first episode of Simoun was the creators attempt to catch the attention of the audience but it seemed to have really backfired. Oh, well, as long as they don't go bankrupt or something before airing all of it, it's other people's loss, not mine.

    "A note: I've never felt like and never really did compare the strawberry panic anime to the marimite one. To me, the core similarities are the all-girls catholic school setting, that's about as far as it goes."

    It's not only that - some of the characters are really similar. Let's take Amane and Rei. Bishounen-like appearance? Check. Sport star of the school? Check. Many fangirls? Check. Having trouble dealing with all the fangirls? Check. Seemingly strong but actually somewhat shy. Check. Sure, I think it won't be that hard to find such a type of character in five other series but when we add the fact that the setting is so similar, ditto for some scenes, the rip-off allegations don't seem that baseless.
    I actually wouldn't mind these similarities if SP was just a comedy but when it tries to be serious I think it suffers as a result of the inevitable comparisons with Marimite.

    "It's one of the reasons for my enjoyment of strawberry panic. It's sort of like, finally, a show where they are they are past the coming out process."

    Dunno, I still suspect there will be a few characters who will have to be convinced for a long time before it dawns on them that they are actually lesbian. :)

     
  • On Wednesday, 24 May, 2006, Blogger Mangaminx said…

    Lolikitsune - It's fair enough being idealistic, many people want anime to be a break from reality I'm sure!

    Anga - There is kissing in Kannazuki episode 1 as far as I remember ;). But fair enough, a lot of people were put off with the kissing in Simoun which was certainly OTT in episode one. Its a shame as it is now my second favourite series ever after Maria-Sama, and features some of the best scenes I've witnessed in an anime. I agree with Matrim that it was put to gain audience attention to episode one and backfired. The rest of the show really isn't as kiss heavy (so far). Simoun I really feel has better character development and emotional portrayal than KnM.

    Matrim - Definately a LOT of similarities to be found between the two, I mean Rokojou and Youko look the same almost exactly!

     
  • On Thursday, 25 May, 2006, Anonymous lolikitsune said…

    Similarities in characters and setting aside, WHAT ABOUT THE PIANO SCENE? Holy mother of all lesbian high school romance dramas, SP and Marimite share scenes word for word!

    And it's not so much that I want a break from reality as I don't understand the "reality"... to me, the "ideal" is attainable, realistic, and ...well, ideal, so that's good enough for me.

     
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